August 8, 2008...8:11 am

tales from a gun-free society.

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Not so cheerful news from the gun-free, socialized health care, enlightened paradise that is England:

Friend Mark got roughed up last night by a group of fifteen or so “youths”, who beat him to the ground, introduced his head to the side of a parked car, and then made off with his wallet, glasses, and iPhone.

He was walking home from the Tube station at night, and passed through the group of yobs not fifteen yards from his front door.  One of them swiped the pack of cigarettes from his back pocket as he was walking through them, and when he turned around and said, “Come on, let me have my smokes back,” the first blow landed on the back of his head.  He says it was over before he had a chance to even switch from “ah, kids” mode to “combat” mode. 

End result: head injuries, a swollen knee, a few hundred bucks of property taken by force, and several credit cards that had to be speedily canceled. 

Secondary effect: the UK will be deprived of yet another tax-paying, productive subject.  Friend Mark has an American passport by virtue of fortunate parental lineage, and he’s currently making arrangements to flee that overtaxed socialist hellhole ASAP, and set up shop in the US.  He’s a professional 3D animator, and as he can do his job from pretty much anywhere with an Internet connection, he’ll be up and running over here in no time.

Before the usual suspects chime in with “What good would a gun have done him?”, it’s not about guns, as least not directly.  It’s about the kind of culture and society that has been brought about by disarming the population and making any sort of self-defense implement illegal.  This is the UK, the home of 20% of the world’s CCTV cameras, where carrying even a Swiss Army knife “without good reason” is a dreadful offense, and it has gotten to the point where a six-foot-plus male in reasonable health can’t walk down his own street after dark without being shorn like a sheep by a gang of feral youth. 

When you make weapons of all kind illegal and strongly discourage self-defense, you create an environment where the young and the many automatically have the upper hand in any sort of conflict, and where the pack always dominates the individual.  These kids don’t have to worry about someone being able to put up any sort of credible self-defense, because the government has forcibly rendered everyone defenseless, and because the legal system further discourages fighting back by charging the victims who dare to fight back almost as harshly (and in many cases, more so) than the aggressor.

Gun control proponents talk about preventing “gun crime”, but they don’t care about the crime, only about the guns.  They talk about the innocent victims of shootings, but they are willing to write off people like my friend Mark as “collateral damage”, an acceptable trade-off for not having those icky guns and knives around.  Better to have productive and law-abiding citizen being beaten up and robbed, than to see the attackers driven off by someone with a gun.  That’s what they really mean when they use the mantra “If it only saves one life“.  It doesn’t work in reverse, you see.

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  • “and where the pack always dominates the individual”………

    …. Sounds like Socialist Utopia.

    These yobs either would have been dead a long time ago, or would have chosen another pastime, had they grown up in, say, Kennesaw, GA.

    It boils down to this: If you want more of a thing, make it cheaper, safer, and more convenient. If you want less of a thing, make it more expensive, dangerous, and inconvenient. Brittain seems to want more worthless (well, not worthless: they help to justify Big Brother!) youths mugging taxpayers. There is little to discourage that behavior: almost no risk to the yob’s safety, and they’ll get in less legal trouble than their victim if he fights back! Kennesaw, Georgia does not want them, so has taken steps necessary not to have them.

  • “What good would a gun have done him?”

    Lots! Not necessarily a gun in his possession. Shit like this doesn’t happen in New Hampshire, or Maine (with maybe the exception of Portland *Motto: *Like Boston, only Smaller!*) or gun-toting free-states because such foolish activity has VERY diminishing returns. The glasses probably won’t be pawned for more than a few bucks, the smokes will be gone in hours, and the cash really isn’t THAT much when you factor in the potential scenario that in Texas, or New Hampshire, or other free states, if you swing a balled fist at a person you have a better than average chance of getting a hollow-point wound to the gut in return.

    Is your life, or maintaining a full compliment of internal organs worth $200 in cash?

    Sure this particular scenario, or the Unitarian Church shooting a gun wouldn’t have changed anything….but look beyond that instance. These monsters CHOOSE defenseless victims!

    I’m 6′0″ in good shape, and I make eye contact with everybody I see. My body language doesn’t say “He’ll resist if confronted” is SCREAMS it. Doesn’t matter if I have a gun or not, unless they can get a real good drop on me with superior numbers, most goblins will likely leave me alone (of course that exception is the EXACT reason why I keep guns, and never get cocky or let my guard down) But what about granny who’s 4′7″ and weighs 90 pounds if you include her cane and the oxygen tank she’s wheeling around. She’s a GREAT choice for violence, what’s she gonna do?

    Well the scenario changes when she pulls the J-Frame from her knitting bag when the goblin asks for her money.

    When I was a little kid (probably Quinn’s age) I decided to pick a flower with a bee sitting on it. I liked how the bee looked and decided that flower was prettier than the others. I still remember seeing the venom sack left behind from that sting. It didn’t take me long after that to know to leave bees and wasps the hell alone. Of course I still played with and molested other insects, because they couldn’t hurt me, so I sought them out. (A nasty spider bite got them on the Do Not Disturb list)

    Criminals can do the same thing. Start teaching them, No matter how I look, I can sting you BAD!

    Meanwhile those of us who have been deprived of our sting as sought after as “easy marks”. Just don’t go after the big guys who can fight back and the money in everybody’s pockets belongs to you.

    Scary, huh?

  • If i could leave the UK now i would but im 60 and disabled have to walk using a stick my balance does not work,it has got to the point where i will not go out in my town at night,i shoot rifles still but sit down to do that would feel a lot safer if i could carry a pistol but had all mine taken my the Goverment back in 97 you know to make the UK safer (bullshit).

  • Is the Mark that frequently comments here?

    In any case, dammitall.

    It’s a shame that behavior exists over there, & I’m thinking it will ultimately cause the demise of “The Place Where Great Britain Used To Be”.

    On the bright side, we will have a new & productive citizen aboard.
    Marko, you’ll have to take him shooting (a lot) to help get this out of his system.

    Welcome, Mark!

  • Yeah, it’s me. Sorry.

  • It’s interesting to note that many of those who support tougher laws against guns “to get them off the streets” also support legalizing drugs because “making them illegal just drives them underground but doesn’t keep people from buying them.”

  • The England of KIpling, Rorke’s Drift, and the Relief of Lucknow is dead. and buried.

    How sad.

    Who’s next?

  • I’ve been saying for awhile, the anti-gun people don’t care about preventing violence. They don’t care if you’re mugged, raped, or murdered, just so long as it’s not done with a gun.

    I wonder how much longer until the Brits are taking up the three S’s (shoot, shovel, shut-up). At some point everyone there will be a criminal, a cop, or a victim.

  • MarkHB: Any friend of Marko’s is, well, someone I’m willing to be acquainted with, at any rate. Dunno where you’re heading in this big ol’ place, but if you happen to choose Albuquerque, (’cause, like, you’re looking for a radical climate departure from where you are now…) I’ll be happy to show you around.

    Beezlebufo: And sadly, the reverse is also true, in that many who are ardent supporters of gun rights also support the horrifyingly unconstitutional War on Some Drugs. Which is remarkably self-defeating, because if we didn’t have 75 years of Prohibition, the Urban Youth Gang problem we have wouldn’t be nearly as virulent as it is, and the antis would have a lot less ammo (ha ha) for their arguments against guns. After all, without the gang warfare in L.A., Detroit, Chicago, Philadelphia, and D.C., our murder rate would be a hell of a lot less than Canada’s.

  • Now, Mark, you should thank those youths for taking away those horrible cancer sticks. Oh, and that iPhone is sure to cause brain cancer, too

    Sorry. I was channeling my mother-in-law, the moonbat.

    I’m glad that you’re OK; that no permanent damage was done. Things are replaceable (tho that’s frustrating as shite).

  • Since nobody else has written it, allow me: when I was in college, the last few days of a spring term were ripe for exploitative short term relationships with the opposite sex, especially if they were seniors. Hey, we weren’t going to see each other anymore, were we? The relationships were fun, short term, harmless, and easy to get started. They ended when the senior got in a car to leave campus.

    Similarly, the victim of this crime has an unique opportunity, since he is leaving the country shortly, to enjoy any sort of relationship he wants, with any of the yobs in his neighborhood. Perhaps some of them will remember him (or better yet, that unknown guy who beat them senseless with a cricket bat, who was wearing a hoodie and mask) fondly, as one who brought clarity of mind to their currently confused lives.

    Enjoy!

  • perlhaqr:

    Totally agree. Philosophical/political streets always run two ways.

  • Rusty P. Bucket

    You wouldn’t solve this one by arming the citizens. The idea of self defense is foreign to them. Many will tell you that your civic duty, when confronted with criminal violence, is to run and let the proper authorities deal with it.

    the other problem is that Britain does not believe in properly punishing its criminals.

  • It probably makes me a terrible person that I was on the one hand absolutely horrified to hear that Mark got the Taste of Yob Experience, and thrilled to hear that it apparently inspired him to move here.

    I second perlhaqr’s vote for Albuquerque. As a state, New Mexico is not only very gun and self-defense friendly, but ragingly eccentric and generally entertaining. You may hear in some places that America has become “homogenized”, but not here.

  • I’ve visited Albuquerque a couple of times, and quite liked it.

  • glad you’re okay, markhb, and glad you’re coming home…

    jtc

  • LabRat, it’ll be my pleasure to but you and Stingray a pint sometime.

    Wish I could have forgone the percussive civics lesson, but I’ve got to say that you lot rock. My head’s killing me, but my heart’s swelling right up. Thank you.

  • i concur with the others: sorry it happened, glad you’re ok and overjoyed you’re returning to the new world. xo.

  • Mark,

    I don’t suppose the yobs were kind enough to give you a receipt? I think they lost my email address.

    Hey, whatever it takes…

    I owe you a pint or five. Collect at your leisure in your choice of Indy, K-Town, or Hotlanta.

  • Rio Grande Brewery (in Albuquerque) produces some really good stuff… :)

  • Rio Grande Brewery produces some acceptable stuff, but I think it’s stretching things a bit to call their beer “really good”. Which didn’t stop me from drinking cases of it back when I had a buddy working there. Of course, “free” makes up for a multitude of sins.

  • Different strokes for different folks, I guess. It just recently appeared in this area, and all the offerings we’ve tried have pleased us.

  • I’m a hops fiend, so typically it takes something from Stone to get me to call it “really good”. :D

  • That would explain a lot. I like Stone products, but as I am NOT a hops fiend, it tends to be on an “every so often” basis rather than my regular afternoon cold one.

  • Well? You scored a “permalink” here!

    One of the things that we in America always point to when discussions such as this one is our heritage. Specifically, “The Rights of Englishmen.”

    The English need to have yet another revolution in this mans opinion, as does the United States.

  • Come to Idaho Springs, Colorado, and try Black Powder Ale… I’ll even buy it for you!

  • It’s interesting

  • stumbled across your blog
    dropping a hello.

  • If I can take a moment,

    This is actually really frightening. My confidence is just… shot. Gone. Utterly gone. I’m not even confident of my ability to find and do work right now. I’ve had the “Fighter Jock” mentality that I brought to my animation career beaten out of me. I am not convinced that I can make this work, any more.

    This lack of confidence is not where I’m used to being. The items that were taken are very secondary to a 6′4″ bloke feeling like he’s had his balls cut off.

    It’s not about the theft of items – it’s about the rift in confidence that such an assault leaves behind. For the first time in my life, I’m genuinely doubting myself. And this is poison.

  • Mark,

    Sometimes all you can do in a situation is just take the beating and move on. Your confidence might be shot but your alive and still in reasonably good health, you might be tougher than you give yourself credit for.

    If no other silver lining emerges from this incident it has helped you realize that Britain is no longer great, I think you’ll find the pastures greener on this side of the pond. If you happen to land in NEW England I’ll happily treat you to a pint.

    Good luck.

  • Mark: I hear what you’re saying. I went through similar (though obviously, different) things after I wrecked my motorcycle. On the freeway. In rush hour traffic. And walked away.

    Near death experiences aren’t any fun, and most people can’t just get over them instantly, at least the first couple times.

    No, perhaps you didn’t feel like you were “near death” from your attack, but there was probably a strong feeling of a complete and utter lack of control over things, which is where the tie comes in, for me.

    I’m not sure exactly what I’m trying to say. You’re not alone. It’s not a problem to feel this way. It will get better eventually.

  • perl,

    I thought I was dead. But I’m not. Nor will I be anytime soon.

    I’m doing the only sane things I can to return to battery. I’m just a bit shaken, is all, really.

  • Keep your chin up Mark, things could be worse after all.

    Just click on my addy if you need to talk.

  • Dude, I’d be worried about you if you WEREN’T feeling that way. Getting the stuffing truly kicked out of you is a traumatic event. In the lab that’s what we call one big-time aversive conditioner- if you weren’t feeling doubtful and cautious, you wouldn’t have a normal learning process.

    Sounds like you’re doing it right- the feeling should fade as you do normal things successfully without having a gang descend on you.

  • The same hing happened to me both times I was robbed, Mark, and I did what you are doing: got myself to a safer place. Between that and time, one’s confidence does return. The wariness ramps down but never quite leaves, which is a good thing.

    One-third of Tam’s offer holds good for me, too, Mark: when you get to Indy, I’m buyin’.

  • Ok. I haven’t ever (*knock on wood*) been mugged, so I don’t know what that’s like. No slight to your experience intended. When I was sliding and bumping down I-25 with the screech of brakes and the banging of metal all around me, I was pretty sure I was going to die, too.

    I guess, I’m just trying to say that even for us big dudes, a lack of confidence after a near death experience isn’t abnormal, and it is recoverable.

    And it’s sounding like whatever happens once you get here, you ought to go on tour around the States and pick up all this beer you’ve been offered. :D

  • Heh. I hear ya. And free beer’s the best beer, but I’m still gonna have to find work to do. We’ll see how that one plays out.

  • Well… the Lab seems to use a lot of 3D animation for the Advanced Simulation and Computing program and that giant visualization room they have… but I have no idea if they actually need more people or even if recommending working there is something I could do in good conscience to someone I liked. :P

  • LabRat, you and Stingray are both warming my cockles.

    If it helps, I’ve been doing a bunch of visualisations for Rutherford-Appleton labs’ ISIS accelerator, the Vulcan Central Laser Facility and the HiPER laser-contained fusion project.

    So uh… I do geekimation, f’shure.

  • Well, so, moving from England to the SF Bay Area may not actually be an improvement, but I know the owner of a game dev studio out there, and I think he might be looking for animators.

    And if the idea of moving from one socialist hellhole to another squicks you, I have friends in the Seattle game dev scene as well. I can’t guarantee a job by any means, but I can put your resume in the right hands, at least.


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