if i have to get mugshotted to get into a titty bar, the terrorists have won.

San Francisco is considering making all public venues photograph and ID their guests.

Off the top of my head, I can think up about a million different ways this would greatly benefit stalkers, criminals, and law enforcement, and precisely zero ways this would contribute to public safety.

Looks like it’s not just the social conservatives who get all excited about surveillance and police state methods. Not that I’m a fan of Team Red, but some of my liberal friends should remember this one for the next time someone on the left side of the aisle works themselves into a froth about the excesses of the DHS bestowed on us by George II.

Surely, that would have absolutely no effect on the kinds of events where people would rather not make their identities known…like, say, political rallies for radical causes, or sexually-flavored entertainment venues. Because if you want to stay anonymous, you clearly have something to hide.

And I just know that if that proposal had originated with a Republican governor–or worse, a Republican POTUS as part of some Patriot Act overhaul–the folks in SF would be among the first to make signs and clog the streets of Berkeley in protest. Remember, kids–it’s only fascism when the other team proposes it!

At the current rate, I predict that we’ll see those nifty back-scatter Porn-O-Tron scanners on the street within ten years, and mounted on all police cruisers as soon as the technology fits onto a dashboard. And the first ones fielded will be in urban areas that vote blue. You know, to catch bad people with guns, and terrorists. Who could be against that?

The politicians of both major parties have a weird sort of amnesia. They forget that the nifty tools they put in the law enforcement tool shed when their team is in charge stay in the tool shed when the folks from the other team take over the front office.

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18 thoughts on “if i have to get mugshotted to get into a titty bar, the terrorists have won.

  1. Ali says:

    What the…?

    That is really…creepy. What happened to having any sense of privacy or personal freedom? That’s just…really appalling. I feel like our society is slowing falling into a dystopian novel, and I’m having flashbacks of Atwood novels.

    Thanks for sharing this, because I hadn’t heard anything about it. ~Ali

    • ATLien says:

      What concerns me is that a LOT of people find no problem with this at all. Or that there are people that think this is a good idea at all.

  2. MadRocketScientist says:

    The politicians of both major parties have a weird sort of amnesia.

    No they don’t, they are rarely, if ever, subjected to the apparatus. The folks who have the amnesia are the activists who support the expansion of the security state by their party. And I don’t think they have amnesia, rather, they honestly believe that the other side will never again win control.

  3. Kaerius says:

    The politicians of both major parties have a weird sort of amnesia.

    I think John Stewart has the best word for it, Ballzheimers.

  4. Außenseiter says:

    Huh. Even commie Czechoslovakia or the DDR didn’t have that. Though probably because it’d have been too expensive. With digital cameras and internet it’d be slam dunk..

  5. perlhaqr says:

    Enh, I know a bunch of very not happy Ess Eff Liberals who are, in fact, going to city council meetings and yelling at the council members.

    Of course, many of them do work for the EFF, so maybe it’s a bad cross-section on my part.

  6. Kinda don’t understand the partisan angle on this.

    I’m pretty sure the left of San Francisco isn’t cheerleading this measure. Didn’t the linked article list left-wing causes as the ones singled out for scrutiny?

    Most likely these kind of regulations are pushed through thanks to the pressure of the police, who love the idea of never having to leave the station except for donuts to survey the streets. Them and the companies that market those oh-so-special security systems with prices ready-inflated for those fat public-sector checks. Doesn’t really matter if the palms greased to get this one through are donkey-fur or elephant hide, no?

    Still a load of rubbish, though.

    • Marko Kloos says:

      The measure is a proposal by the SF Entertainment Commission. I don’t know the exact political make-up of that commission, but I think it’s a good guess they (like everything else in SF) aren’t exactly loaded with right-wingers.

      • perlhaqr says:

        Yeah, but functionally, they’re precisely the same flavor as the folks in the Boise Entertainment Commission, i.e.: Government Employee Flavored.

        Statism knows no left or right bound.

  7. Tam says:

    Looks like it’s not just the social conservatives who get all excited about surveillance and police state methods.

    Anybody who has ever implied that was either born in 2000AD and thus justifiably ignorant of all history before the election of George W. Bush, or else they are a complete retard and not worth speaking to.

    Sure, Janet Reno’s justice department ran around passing out bongs and flowers… :rolleyes:

  8. aczarnowski says:

    As Patrick over at PopeHat said, our ancestors shot Englishmen for less than this.

  9. Guffaw in AZ says:

    I posted about this the other day, h/t to Cato@Liberty.
    And I concur with aczarnowski”s analysis.
    gfa

  10. The politicians of both major parties have a weird sort of amnesia. They forget that the nifty tools they put in the law enforcement tool shed when their team is in charge stay in the tool shed when the folks from the other team take over the front office.

    That is a cash-money QotD right there.

    tweaker

  11. Shootin' Buddy says:

    “At the current rate, I predict that we’ll see those nifty back-scatter Porn-O-Tron scanners on the street within ten years,”

    Marko, I’m sorry, the portable scanners are already here and much, much better than the ones they were using to scan people and buildings after 9/11. The feds drive them around in utility vans and disguised work trucks (UPS, bread panel trucks, etc.).

  12. Holly says:

    This seems like an infringement on the right to peaceable assembly. Saying “sure, you can peaceably assemble, IF you show your papers to the proper authorities” doesn’t pass the sniff test there.

    I’m on the verge of proposing a new ethical principle: The Right To Get Away With Things. That is, not like murder or home invasion, not even really a relaxation of any existing laws, but not making “we could catch someone doing something!” the top priority at all times. Better to let someone slip through the net sometimes than to make everyone swim in a goddamn net their whole life.

  13. Außenseiter says:

    The best reaction I’ve seen so far was one guy commenting “stark raving fascist madness”.. :D

  14. Windy Wilson says:

    “Ausweis, bitte”.

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