my ambiguous opinion on vaccinations.

Breaking news: Jenny McCarthy is still an idiot

Cliff Notes: Her kid has been diagnosed with autism.  She maintains that a.) he got it from the preservative in his MMR shots (called thimerol), and b.) she cured him of his autism with a herbal-based mercury detox diet.

Our kids got the full vaccination battery as recommended by their doctor.  They got their vaccines, and will continue to get their vaccines, because there is no credible scientific evidence–none–that those vaccines cause autism.  There is, however, plenty of evidence that vaccines prevent a lot of diseases that meant brain damage or death for children only fifty or sixty years ago.  Kids don’t die of measles anymore, and they don’t end up in wheelchairs after contracting polio, because we have vaccines now.  Take one or two generations of near-universal vaccinations, throw in an unhealthy dose of scientific illiteracy, season with a dash of favoring feeeeelings over hard evidence, and you have the recipe for kids dying of preventable diseases once more because their parents listened to snake oil peddlers like Jenny McCarthy.  It boggles the mind, it does. 

Anyone whose kid dies of fucking measles in two thousand oh-fucking-nine because they refused vaccines for that child should be forcibly sterilized, so they can’t pass on their particular mental defect, and then thrown in prison for a few geological epochs.

48 thoughts on “my ambiguous opinion on vaccinations.

  1. Elizabeth says:

    Oh, the anti-vaccination crowd makes me CRAZY! Worse than the harm they do their kids by leaving them susceptible to some pretty terrible diseases, they hurt those kids who _are_ vaccinated! There’s this little thing called herd immunity… and you’re only as immune as your least immune/vaccinated member. Gee, look, places where there’s been outbreaks of Measles, or Mumps outbreaks have had kids who were vaccinated getting sick along side those who weren’t.


    It’s bad enough they harm themselves and their children, but harming me and mine through their stupid, prejudicial ignorance infuriates me.

  2. theflatwhite says:

    I read your link…

    142 deaths, suspiciously padded with childhood flu fatalities, and no pre-2007 numbers for perspective?
    This is proof of rampant tradgedy due to the anti-vax movement?

    Look, I’m NOT supporting the anti-vaxers, but this is pure emotionalism dressed up as statistical evidence. These are Brady-bunch arguments.

  3. Marko says:

    Yeah, that counter thingie is a bit goofy, but it doesn’t change the fact that McCarthy and the anti-vaccine crowd are idiots.

    The point is that there’s a measurable increase in previously rare childhood disease outbreaks in some parts of the country, which is probably attributable to the anti-vaccine morons and their efforts. McCarthy gets airtime on fucking Oprah and Larry King Live, and nobody’s properly holding her feet to the fire on this, so there are folks out there who listen to that daft bint, and skip the vaccinations.

    Recently, there was an outbreak in San Diego where an unvaccinated kid went to Switzerland, came back with measles, and infected not only several kids in his class, but also some kids in the pediatrician’s waiting room, including infants that were too young to have had the MMR vaccine yet. Measles are no joke for an infant–it’s a life-threatening thing. The anti-vaccine celebs are actively encouraging other people to put my kids at risk, and that’s definitely no Brady-type hysteria. It’s 21st Century epidemology versus the Middle Ages.

  4. scotaku says:

    I saw “Jenny McCarthy” and thought “hard science.” You can follow up with the obvious, if you’d like. Back in the day, when our kids were en route, we went to a scare-fest seminar about how bad vaccines were. I stood and noted that none of the people in the audience had measles, mumps, rubella, polio… and all of the evidence we were looking at was hearsay.

    There may be a risk, sure. But I *know* what the risk in the other direction is, and I likes me some science that keeps me and my kids out of an iron lung. That’s my preference, I’m not asking you to be that way.

    Oh, and I was basically an outcast from the scare-i-nar. Best afternoon we had, leaving that place.

  5. Alan says:

    I’m not siding with the anti-vaccination side here–I don’t believe there is solid evidence for a vaccine/autism link (I work at a hospital that did a major study on the topic)–but I don’t like to call Jenny McCarthy and the other concerned parents “idiots”. I can understand being concerned about what’s going into your kids’ bodies. They should still get their kids vaccinated for the sake of the kid and for the rest of us. But even I, who knows that there is little risk from these vaccines, get a little wigged out about the sheer battery of shots that my kids gets at one go.

  6. Elizabeth says:

    Alan: Ah, there’s nothing saying the kid needs to get them all in one visit. There’s plenty of pediatricians who will happily spread the vaccinations out over a longer period so as to not stress the kid out as much.

  7. Kaerius(SWE) says:

    Get the kids vaccinated, full battery. It’s safer than not doing it, guaranteed. I give very little credence to the anti-vaccine crowd’s “evidence” as well, not backed by any scientific study.

    More than likely, autism is simply something you’re born with(I’ve seen reference to studies that it in most cases is genetic, where identical twins where one is autistic, there’s more than a 90% chance the other one is as well, for example). It doesn’t surprise me either, I’m an aspie, and I think chances are, my father is an undiagnosed aspie as well, my sister too, come to think of it. All to a low degree… I didn’t get my diagnose until my early 20s, and I have about 4 out of 30something possible symptoms.

  8. Kaerius(SWE) says:

    Note that autism isn’t a retardation, but it does mean the brain is wired differently. In some cases this causes some severe problems, others just have social handicaps(such as a lack of inate ability to notice others moods or emotions). Aspies, like myself are often highly functional and even gifted(I score about 130-150 on IQ tests, depending on its language, and how well rested and alert I am, oddly enough I score higher in english ones than those in my native language, got 132 in a native one and 148 in an english one, to name two).

  9. Vaarok says:

    And yet these people also don’t want us using vaccines or medicines in our food production… I’m just supposed to magically or organically produce for them with no threadworms or other parasites in their beef and no tuberculosis in the milk because they’re afraid early-onset puberty is due to hormones rather than their kids getting good nutrition to support faster physical growth.

    As Dr. House put it:

    House: You know another really good business? Teeny tiny baby coffins. You can get them in frog green or fire engine red. Really. The antibodies in yummy mummy only protect the kid for six months, which is why these companies think they can gouge you. They think that you’ll spend whatever they ask to keep your kid alive. Want to change things? Prove them wrong. A few hundred parents like you decide they’d rather let their kid die than cough up forty bucks for a vaccination
    , believe me, prices will drop really fast.

  10. Scott says:

    All things in moderation…

    Some (all?) vaccines have side effects. In some few (very few?) cases, the cure is worse than the disease. This is compounded by a corporations need for profit (i.e. make back that R&D money and then some).

    I don’t see a link between vaccinations and autism, but neither do I see a logical reason for the sheer magnitude of vaccines marketed by Big Pharma.

    Full battery? No…

    Your back to an emotional argument here, especially since vaccines efficacy is measured in decades and we discontinue most vaccines with adulthood. Anyone receive an adult MMR booster?

    Just pointin’ it out.

  11. Jay G. says:

    Jenny McCarthy. Dumb as a box of rocks.

    I’d still hit it like the fist of an angry G-d, though…

    Oh, vaccinations? Yeah. Good idea. Dying of mumps? Bad idea.

    ‘Nuff said…

  12. Steven Gould says:

    When I saw the title I was a bit leery but you are so very dead on. Polio still exists in North Africa because of “it’s how the Americans are giving us Aids” rumors.

    And you are not just making decision for you own kids. There are people who either cannot take the vaccination or for whom the vaccination is ineffective even if they do take it. These people are protected by Herd Immunity (cutting off the vectors that expose them to the diseases.) Enough Anti-Vax idiots don’t get the vaccinations and they provide the vectors for the diseases to reach these people whom it will kill.

    You want to not take vaccinations? Please don’t live anywhere near me.

  13. Grappler says:

    In response to Alan, the number of proteins included in the entire series of vaccines (9 vaccines with a total of 13 antigens) that kids under 2 yrs get today is only a fraction of the number of proteins that were in the 3 vaccines (7 antigens) we gave just twenty years ago. Todays imms are far more immunogenic and far safer. If I blanche at giving a vaccine it’s only because the little one smiling at me a moment ago is now looking at me with a hurt expression, not because of any concerns over safety or efficacy of the immunization.

  14. mac says:

    Our eldest child is on the autism spectrum. Getting clear information is very difficult. There are some legitimate studies that suggest a correlation between mercury retention in the body and autism, however they don’t ascribe causation.

    I understand distrust of government-approved and even medical association-approved prescriptions. So many doctors have no idea how to recognize the signs of autism, nor even when to suggest evaluation by a specialist. We went through five doctors before our son was four. Every time we brought up his behavior, we were dismissed or ignored. This is an extremely common experience for parents of an autistic.

    So when the diagnosis happens, parents turn to support groups for information. A lot of that information is crap, but it’s hard to tell the good from the bad. Furthermore, therapies and dietary changes that work for one autistic don’t for others. Autism symptoms are widely varied and incredibly frustrating to handle. Some parents and relatives refuse to believe their children are genetically outside of the norm (flawed, to some). Throw in general paranoia about toxins in food (high-fructose corn syrup, et al), and you have an audience ripe for snake oil.

    The fights over a particular therapy being a moral imperative drove my wife from the local bulletin board. There is some of that associated with OCD and ADHD boards, but not nearly as unpleasant.

    I remember when our younger children were slated to get the MMR vaccine, we didn’t know where to go for clear, informed analysis. It was scary. Our doctor wasn’t understanding either. Now that the original study suggesting the link between the vaccine and autism has been discredited, I’m pretty pissed about the whole thing.

  15. williamthecoroner says:

    Yes. I got the adult MMR booster.

    There are a whole lot of jabs in one go. I agree. But the standard of care is to vaccinate’em while you got ’em. Aside from the comfort of the parents, there’s no reason not to give the shots when the kid is in your clutches. Spread it out, statistically, you’ll miss some and that’s too big a risk to take. Now, if you know the parents, and trust them to come back, that’s one thing.

    And the whole “Big-pharma profit” thing? Lots of those went off patent years ago. The liability costs are greater than the profit. They don’t make money on vaccines. They make money on allergy drugs and erectile dysfunction meds, generally.

  16. nick says:

    If you’re interested in a counterpoint:

    …Don’t get me wrong, vaccines aren’t inherently bad. A limited and voluntary schedule of individual doses at a somewhat older age, spread out over time, is a perfectly reasonable program… in fact, that’s how most adults over thirty today were vaccinated. But pumping infants full of toxins that have never been tested in combination with each other, 19 shots in the first six months, isn’t just asking for trouble, it’s demanding it.

  17. perlhaqr says:

    Is the thimerosal required? I mean, why pump more mercury into the kid than necessary? It’s not like it’s a vitamin.


  18. perlhaqr says:

    Of course, two words in counterpoint to my entire query: Sodium Chloride.

  19. wolfwalker says:

    Vox Day is as much an idiot as Jenny McCarthy. He (she?) wants vaccines tested? Been there, done that. They have been tested and are being tested every single day. Every person who takes any medicine, including vaccines, becomes a data point in the never-ending operational test of that medicine. So those vaccines have been tested on several tens of millions of babies, over many years. In all that time, no one has produced any reliable evidence that the conventional course of childhood vaccines is unsafe. That is as near to certainty as inductive logic gets.

  20. wolfwalker says:

    perlhaqr, thimerosal isn’t used in vaccines anymore. It was taken out about ten years ago, shortly after the antivaxers first started complaining about it. But not because they started complaining about it.

  21. emdfl says:

    If somebody can explain to me the reasoning behind slaming a one month old baby with a Hep A & B vacination, I’ll be more likely to pay attention to the rest of the “give ’em vacinations for everything crowd.”

  22. OrangeNeckInNY says:

    Sshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! They’re a self-fulfilling prophecy – they’ll remove themselves from the gene pool slowly but surely. Let them keep doing what they’re doing.

  23. mac says:

    They’re not removing themselves from the gene pool, just their children. Children who might grow up to be fundamentally different from their parents. Children who don’t deserve to suffer horribly from preventable diseases. And remember, children don’t get all their vaccinations at once. A significant outbreak could endanger children who would otherwise be protected a few years hence.

  24. I’d actually be interested to see what the children of those who got the thimerosal-based vaccinations came down with…it’s doubtful that any of us (I’m pretty damned sure I got those vaccinations, just under the wire, but I could be wrong) have anything wrong with US because of those vaccines, but testing our kids? That’d be some research I’d like to participate in.

    I can appreciate Jenny’s concern, but I think she picked an “easy” target and ran with it a little too far. And autism can’t be cured – it can only be managed, and there’s NO evidence that gluten-free diets help. Those studies haven’t run long enough, yet.

  25. williamthecoroner says:


    Hepatitis B is transmitted vertically, from infected mothers to infants. It is the cause of a great deal of chronic liver disease, cirrhosis, and hepatocellular carcinoma. It is much worse in infants, with a greater chance of causing fulminant hepatitis, massive hepatic necrosis and death. The hepatitis A vaccine is new, and also prevents chronic liver disease and rip-roaring hepatitis. It is much safer than IgG prophylaxis after exposure, and much, much safer than liver transplantation. That is why those are given to children.

    Finally, vaccinating against the hepatoviruses as children prevents problems when they become adults.

  26. LabRat says:

    Wolfwalker- specifically, Vox is calling for a double-blind vaccine-versus-placebo test. All other tests aren’t rigorous enough. Which, if Vox were half as informed as he believes himself to be, he would already know would be such a massive ethics violation for any kind of human study that the persons conducting the test would be torpedoing their own careers if not actually put in jail. There’s a reason the Tuskeegee syphilis experiments were considered morally wrong, and a reason why studies with human subjects were extensively reformed.

    emdfl- You are aware that the various flavors of hepatitis are transmissable by means other than sexual, yes?

  27. mac says:

    Squeaky Wheel,
    We have not gone gluten-free, but have restricted my son’s intake of dairy. Direct evidence suggests a strong correlation between dairy intake and greater autistic behaviors in him. A couple of years ago, he went through at least four containers of yogurt in my in-laws’ fridge in the space of a few hours. He was spacey and incoherent for three days.

    As I said, the remedies are not even close to universal. And it’s unclear why certain remedies work for specific individuals. Still, I do not discount the experience of other parents who believe that gluten- and casein-free helps their child.

  28. MarkHB says:


    Your example of the San Diego outbreak is a prime example of 21st century abilities in the hands of the undereducated. Unfortunately, there’s no filtering on which bits of the 21st century you can tuck into – world travel, global communications, ethics-free celebrity causes in place of journalism – all hand in hand with a connection-without-causation mentality? Potent stuff.

    It’s a right bugger, and the only ethical approach – ensuring people are well-enough educated that they can make these decisions sensibly – is a generational thing. Until then, you’ll still have people being stupid, and turning their kids into disease vectors. I wish I could see a solution to this one, but I just don’t in the short term.

  29. Shootin' Buddy says:

    “They got their vaccines, and will continue to get their vaccines, because there is no credible scientific evidence–none–that those vaccines cause autism. ”

    But, but, what about the scientific Wakefield study? It is science so we cannot question it! Science!

    It is proven because it was in a science magazine (or a science fiction magazine so that counts are true as well). A beggar in a white coat that did that study that proved that vaccines cause autism.

    What? Oh, he made that up?

    You mean there is fraud in “science” and it’s really just politics/money in white coats?

    Well, *kicks rocks* I’ll be outside gluing moths to trees.

  30. Elvis the Original Terminator says:

    When a school district demands that children get a shot for measles and still they get the measles, then there is a problem. So what’s the school district say?
    “Oh, we need to double the dose. We got it wrong the first time”
    Normal parents ask, can you guarantee that there are no adverse side effects. The said school district says “ No”. And the physicians brought in could guarantee nothing.
    Excuse me? We’re the wackos?
    It seems to me there are two problems. Parents know and care for their children better than any school district, and some of us actually don’t believe the government should be telling us what to do.
    Now to compare us suspicious people to wackos, or everyone that questions this is like Jenny McCarthy is wacky.
    You guys sound a little emotional your selves.
    Everyone I grew up with had the measles. We didn’t die.

  31. LittleRed1 says:

    The Pittsburgh PA newspaper yesterday reported the start of a possible measles outbreak starting in the waiting room of a children’s hospital. Thus far two kids and one adult are in the hospital with measles. Anyone who was in the general waiting area of the hospital on March 10 and 11 may have been exposed.

  32. Mike says:

    Paranoid risk aversion is a terrible thing. Everything you wear, ride in, or ingest carries some amount of risk – hell, even water is dangerous in the wrong place, time, or quantity.

    The problem is, when a tragedy occurs, the papers scream “child dies from vaccine reaction” they don’t balance it with “millions didn’t die from measles today”.

  33. Jeff says:

    I have a serious question. When did the usual childhood diseases (measels, chicken pox, mumps, german measels) become so dangerous, at least for children? Have they become more virulent over the years?

    The reason I ask is I never knew of any child dying from them. I grew up in the 50s and early 60s, in a small, middle class/working class town. By the time we reached sixth grade we had all had these diseases. It was just an inconvenience everyone went through: you missed a couple of weeks of school, were told not to scratch, and then it was over. Sure, we had fevers and were miserable to ourselves and our parents but I never heard they were life-threatening.

    All kids received some kind of vaccinations as pre-schoolers and had to have booster shots for a few years afterward. (Don’t remember what they were for.) We were tested for TB in grade school and everyone (and I mean everyone!) received the polio vaccines when they became available.

    I’m not putting the knock on these childhood vaccines, just wondering if the diseases are worse now or if kids are more effected by them than in decades past.


  34. williamthecoroner says:

    There is a risk to everything. And yes, vaccines have risks of adverse reactions. The risks of the childhood diseases are much worse. Post-polio encephalitis. People die from diptheria. Personally, I nearly died from chicken pox, but I got it age 21, and was very, very sick. We know that the smallpox vaccine, for example, kills one in a million people. The disease of smallpox itself, has a 30-70% mortality rate. Sometimes the bad effects aren’t seen with the disease, but occur years later, with reactivation of chicken pox (shingles) which is bad enough in a person with normal immunity, but can be devastating in persons without a working immune system.

    And people without working immune systems? There are boatloads of them. HIV patients, people with bone marrow transplants, solid organ transplants, they’re on immunosuppresive therapy for the rest of their lives. Herpes encephalitis or herpes in the eye isn’t funny, it’ll kill you.

    Now, are the diseases worse now? No, they’re still about as bad. The big difference, the average life span in 1900 was 45 years. In 2009, it’s 79. What caused that? Three things: vaccination, antibiotics, and indoor plumbing. We’re losing antibiotics.

    The bottom line is, we as physicians don’t give kids vaccines for the Hell of it. They keep more people alive longer. And an individual not vaccinating their child is a bad parent. That right there is neglect and abuse, as egregious as withholding food and water.

  35. Moriarty says:

    When did the usual childhood diseases (measels, chicken pox, mumps, german measels) become so dangerous, at least for children?

    They didn’t. It was simply accepted that a certain number of children would develop rubella-related pneumonia, varicella encephalitis, poliomyelitis paralysis or parotitis-induced sterility. Some would die, some would suffer the effects for the rest of their lives. Those were the risks and you accepted them because there was no alternative.

    A simple object lesson for the anti-immunization crowd is to visit a ghost town and take a walk through the cemetery. Take note of the number of the number of children buried there, many of whom died of common childhood diseases.

    For the record, I’ve had my adult MMR, Td booster, Pneumovax, Hep A and B and yearly influenza vaccinations. My wife and children are also “fully immunized” and it’s what I recommend to my patients.

  36. princewally says:

    Infant mortality in the US has dropped from 135 per thousand(1911) to 6.3 per thousand(2008).

    That’s modern medicine. The idiots avoiding vaccines will push their families into 3rd world infant mortality rates.

  37. RobD says:

    “Your back to an emotional argument here, especially since vaccines efficacy is measured in decades and we discontinue most vaccines with adulthood. Anyone receive an adult MMR booster?”

    I did in college (when I was 20) because there was a major outbreak of measles on campus and everyone on campus was required by the CDC to get the MMR booster or be disenrolled from the college and barred from campus. That was a large group of previously vaccinated adults with the disease spreading rampantly through the population. They told us it was due to the efficacy of one of our earliest vaccinations wearing off. Long-term efficacy is not a guarantee. Whooping cough is making a come-back in the adult population and my doctor gave me the DPT shot to boost my immunity (for pertussis) this year even though adults were not thought to need it again.

    The pharmacological dose-response is seen when you introduce something (like thimerosal) into the body and get a response related to the dose. If you remove that thing, the response subsides (usually). If thimerosal was actually causing autism, you would expect the rate of autism to decrease now that it has been greatly reduced or eliminated in childhood vaccines since 2001. Yet the rates of autism continue increasing. Here is a good link for info from the Institute of Medicine:

    I agree with Marko: Jenny McCarthy is a nutcase that wants someone else to take the blame for her kids problem (sort of like expecting to be served from Atlas Shrugged?).

  38. Jim says:

    Rates of Autism in the US have been on the a rise that roughly corresponds to increases in the childhood vaccine schedule (at least since 1980). There has been a slight decrease in the rate since thimerosal was removed from vaccines.

    We do know that autism is highly associated with left handedness, low IQ, and mental retardation.

    That is what we do know. We don’t know if microdeletions/additions at breakpoints in chromosomal DNA are involved as they are in some cases of previously unexplained retardation, we don’t know if vaccines provide an environmental “trigger”. It could be totally environmental, it could be totally genetic, it could be a combination of the two, we just don’t know.

    Anyone claiming anything more solid than that, either for or against vaccines, is a fool. Unless you have other risk factors associated with autism such as family history, then vaccinating your children is the most prudent course of action.

    Also, the idea of “Herd Immunity” doesn’t mean that the whole herd is only as safe as it’s weakest member. Herd Immunity means that if one member contracts the disease the disease is likely to be contained because the immediate herd members who interact with the diseased member do not become vectors. Depending on the transmissibility of the disease you get a different “threshold” for achieving herd immunity. 95% immunization or greater is what we would like to see in human populations.

  39. Don Meaker says:

    Chaos Theory has studied measeles in Baltimore, which has records for more than 300 years.

    People are either active with a disease, susceptable, or immune. The larger the immune population, the less likely to get active with a disease. Vaccines move members of the population from susceptable to immune, without the bother and risk of being active.

    When the immune population goes below 30% there is a risk of an epidemic. That is, large numbers of the susceptable become active. Some die, others become immune. In that respect, epidemics are self limiting, but at significant cost.

    The immune population acts like a damper in a spring mass damper system, or a guitar string. The “rest position” is actually very low, because you can be immune for many years, and the course of a disease is only a few days. Still, when ‘plucked’ by arrival of an active person, the unimmunized population goes through the epidemic, the highly immune population suffers only the temporary discomfiture of a few unimmunized members.

    But when there is an epidemic, the disease has a higher chance to mutate, thus converting immunes to susceptable. This mutation leads to a super epidemic, and is caused by human stupidity.

    An example of the super epidemic is the flu in 1918. Normally a mutated lethal strain would die out in the one person that it affected. Because of the World War, thousands of people were cheek by jowl, so a cough would spread to all the men in the bunker, or in the barracks. Total losses world wide were about 25 millions. Losses in the US were about 800,000 thousand, which can be compared to about 100,000 US combat deaths.

    Consider; The Spanish Flu in the US was like 200 times the death toll of the Iraq war, with a US population only 100 million, about third of current population, for about 600 times the lethality of the Iraq war.

  40. Don Meaker says:

    The particular fellow who I know that studies measles in Baltimore was Dr. William M. Schaffer, Professor of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology

  41. Don Meaker says:

    Olsen, L. F. and W. M. Schaffer. 1990. Chaos vs. noisy periodicity: Alternative hypotheses for childhood epidemics. Science. 249:499-504.

  42. The rates of autism have been increasing as the vaccionation schedule increases. Remember, though, correlation does not imply causation. The definition of autism spectrum disorders has changed. Previously, kids were called “mentally retarded” or were just slow. You can’t compare autism rates from 2009 to 1989 or 1969, the word meant different things then.

  43. Vaarok says:

    I really think the “autism!11one” thing is overblown. I believe, based upon more reasonable RESEARCH, that a large amount of it comes from low-level allergies caused by an understimulated immune system in modern populations.

    The book “Is this your child?” by Dr. Doris Rapp covers the topic quite well.

    Sustained ingestion of vibrantly colored artificial breakfasts and overprocessed foodstuffs seem a far more legitimate cause for concern than a medical miracle that prevents horrific diseases with just an injection and momentary discomfort.

  44. Kristopher says:

    emdfl: If somebody can explain to me the reasoning behind slaming a one month old baby with a Hep A & B vacination ….

    I contracted Hep A from a step-parent at age 7.

    It happens. If I had been vaccinated, I would not have gotten it.

  45. princewally says:

    “chromosomal DNA”

    As opposed to the author?

  46. mac says:

    Follow-up to William the Coroner,
    To put that a little differently, the measuring stick is not the same today as it was in the 80’s. Hell, we’ve gone through two further iterations of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders since 1980 (DSM III-R and DSM IV). I doubt my child would have been listed on the autistic spectrum even 15 years ago.

    Because the diagnostic tools and definitions have changed, you cannot compare rates of autism in the population now with any other time.

    There are quite a number of anti-vaccine folk who would agree with the belief that our food causes us problems. I understand that it is a logical hypothesis. I haven’t seen that hypothesis tested enough to even be considered a theory. Furthermore, I know my generation grew up on the dye-infused, sugar/corn syrup laden breakfast foods. I would expect that these allergies would have shown up full force in my generation, rather than waiting until the current one.

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  48. Thank you so much for this article! One of my favorite collections of articles on this issue is from the Stanford Medicine Spring 09 Issue which has an article by NBC’s Chief Medical Editor Nancy Snyderman, MD and I quote…

    “To date, 12 epidemiological studies have shown that MMR vaccine does not cause autism. Six have shown that thimerosal (the ethyl mercury preservative) doesn’t cause autism. And despite the removal of thimerosal from vaccines in 2001, the numbers of children diagnosed as autistic continue to climb. (”

    We can’t let the fiction of vaccines hurting our children prevail. We must work to ensure that all children get the vaccines they need to keep them healthy!

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