a quick personal bias check.

I appreciate all the replies to my Glenn Beck/uniform jacket post.

I do have one question for all of you who left a comment.  You don’t need to answer it in public, but be entirely honest with yourself.  Read your comment(s) again, and ask yourself this:

Would my reply be the same if the guy on the cover was Al Franken?


19 thoughts on “a quick personal bias check.

  1. MarkHB says:

    Yes, it would. Frankly, if anyone puts “political alignment” above “right and wrong” then I feel bad for them. A human chooses. A slave obeys.

  2. Laughingdog says:

    I would be annoyed, but just because I really can’t see him without being annoyed. Wearing the uniform like that wouldn’t make a difference.

  3. mikenh says:

    I didn’t read the comments (or comment) in the previous thread until you brought it upagain, maybe this has already been mentioned.

    On his radio show just after the book launch he was talking about the cover. He was pushing and pushing the publisher to let him call the book “Arguing with Communists” or “Socialists” but they wouldn’t go for it. I heard it, but couldn’t find a transcript on his web site. Though he does talk about it here: http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/31894/

    “GLENN: Holy cow. When I received a he writes, who is this? David Forsmark: When I received a review copy of the new book by over emoting radio TV talker Glenn Beck, I sighed and put it to the side. What put me off were the book’s title, Arguing with Idiots, and the cover photo showing Beck dressed as a commissar making a funny face. It’s not a commissar.”

    “GLENN: No, it’s the book czar, and he’s telling you what book to buy. Let’s see. Arguing with idiots is a waste of time, I thought one might as well have published a book called Exercise in Futility for Dummies or The Idiot’s Guide to Banging Your Head Against the Wall– neither prospect appeals to me all that much.”

    I’m sure Beck has no idea what he’s wearing, or what studio wardrobe they rented it from for the photo shoot.

    I understand your respect for the uniform, I wore mine proudly from ’77 to ’81. Best thing I ever did.

    Be well

  4. pdb says:

    It wouldn’t bother me as much, because Franken is a left-statist. Expecting a leftist to understand history, manners or logic is like expecting a cockroach to understand calculus.

  5. Kristopher says:

    I don’t know.

    I hope so.

  6. Kaerius(SWE) says:

    Probably. But that’s because my comment was about not arguing with Glenn, because you shouldn’t argue with idiots.

    Al Franken hasn’t struck me as an idiot.

    As for the uniform, I’d probably take more offense if Franken used it, I mean, Glenn’s an idiot… and this is pretty much what you’d expect from him. Franken on the other hand should be able to connect the dots.

  7. BryanP says:

    Probably. Although given a choice of which one to spend an evening chatting with I’d pick Franken. I disagree with both of them on many subjects, but at least Franken is funny on purpose.

  8. LittleRed1 says:

    I’d feel the same. Although Franken seems even more out of shape than Beck, so my initial reaction would probably more “ugh” than “huh?”

  9. Brian Dale says:

    My answer would have been the same.

  10. Tony says:

    …Al who? 😛

    I really have no idea who that previous person was. I have no idea who this Al Franken is. So I would claim political views do not really enter into it for me.

  11. Jenny says:

    Well no, obviously. They’re different people.

    Al Franken doesn’t have the same “rah troops” record Glenn Beck does. Go ahead and call him a chicken hawk if you want, but the fact is Glenn Beck has never made a game of intentionally slandering the US or allied military personnel. Well… except for maybe the French. 😉
    Ergo points 1 and 2 don’t apply.

    To point 3 (insufficient fact checking, and the main meat of it) – yes, probably. I don’t expect either of them to be be able to tell a Cold War West German uniform from a WWII Soviet one. Quite frankly, to a lot of American civilian eyes, those funny hats and shoulder board getups all look vaguely statist.

    To point 4 (you’d get an honest apology if you brought it up) – I honestly don’t know. I don’t know Mr. Franken’s record enough for that.

    • Kaerius(SWE) says:

      Al Franken has been going to Iraq and Afghanistan repeatedly on morale boosting missions, and been given a medal for 10 years of service with the USO.

      I’d call that quite a bit more dedication to the troops than Glenn Beck has ever shown.

  12. PlanetCaveman says:

    No, my reaction would not have been the same, but why should it be?

    Would David Chapelle wearing a Klan robe have the same effect on you as David Duke in one? Beck posing as “the Book Czar” is ironic because he is a small government advocate who has constantly criticized Obama and his Czars, while Frankin has always been an advocate of bigger and more intrusive government.

  13. theflatwhite says:

    Would it have even been a topic for discussion if the author in question (Beck) didn’t irritate some people here?

  14. Ted says:

    Yes. A talking head is a talking head.

  15. Tam says:

    No matter who was in the soldier suit, the confusing imagery and subtitles would have left me scratching my head in puzzlement at just what message they were trying to convey.

  16. SemperGumby says:

    I saw that book in a Barnes and Noble for the first time a couple weeks ago. I had no idea looking at it on the shelf why he was dressed that way, nor did I recognize the uniform. After Marko’s explanation I would have to agree that I would be offended. If he had been wearing Marine blues or MarPat I would feel the same way. They should have come up with some obviously fake uniform for him to wear, might have gotten his point across better. I think either one would look ridiculous and be just as inappropriate in a uniform such as this.

  17. Rick R. says:

    Honestly, Franken wouldn;t have bothered me nearly as much.

    I mean, if I saw a guy pissing on a fire hydrant at full noon outside an elementary school I’ dbe pretty pissed.

    If I see a dog do it — well, that’s what dogs do.

    Al Franken being unfunny, uninformed, and insulting? That’s just his gig — his talent peaked at Stuart Smiley.

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